{"id":141,"date":"2020-08-07T03:12:02","date_gmt":"2020-08-07T03:12:02","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/selah.rogerbraker.com\/?p=141"},"modified":"2020-08-07T03:12:02","modified_gmt":"2020-08-07T03:12:02","slug":"civil-disobedience-or-when-do-we-obey-god-rather-than-men","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/selah.rogerbraker.com\/index.php\/2020\/08\/07\/civil-disobedience-or-when-do-we-obey-god-rather-than-men\/","title":{"rendered":"Civil Disobedience or When do we Obey God Rather than Men?"},"content":{"rendered":"<div class=\"pdfprnt-buttons pdfprnt-buttons-post pdfprnt-top-right\"><a href=\"https:\/\/selah.rogerbraker.com\/index.php\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/141?print=print\" class=\"pdfprnt-button pdfprnt-button-print\" target=\"_blank\" ><\/a><\/div><div class=\"initial-letter\"><p><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"wp-image-142 aligncenter\" src=\"https:\/\/selah.soonerscapes.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/08\/faith-507810_1920.jpg\" alt=\"\" width=\"356\" height=\"211\" srcset=\"https:\/\/selah.rogerbraker.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/08\/faith-507810_1920.jpg 1920w, https:\/\/selah.rogerbraker.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/08\/faith-507810_1920-300x178.jpg 300w, https:\/\/selah.rogerbraker.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/08\/faith-507810_1920-1024x607.jpg 1024w, https:\/\/selah.rogerbraker.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/08\/faith-507810_1920-768x455.jpg 768w, https:\/\/selah.rogerbraker.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/08\/faith-507810_1920-1536x910.jpg 1536w, https:\/\/selah.rogerbraker.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/08\/faith-507810_1920-1296x768.jpg 1296w, https:\/\/selah.rogerbraker.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/08\/faith-507810_1920-1822x1080.jpg 1822w, https:\/\/selah.rogerbraker.com\/wp-content\/uploads\/2020\/08\/faith-507810_1920-660x391.jpg 660w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 356px) 100vw, 356px\" \/><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">When I was in my first year of college, a young man attempted to witness to me about the Bible by saying that Romans 13:1, 2 and following said that God put all government leaders in power, and we were to obey them. I will tell you what I said to him at the end of this blog.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">I did not know the truth about Romans 13 and obedience to the government for many years, but I never forgot what he said.\u00a0 His comments stayed on a hook in my mind until I found a good answer\/response to his statements.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">Romans 1-11 sets out the reason mankind needed a redeemer. \u201cAll have sinned and come short of the glory of God,\u201d \u201cthere are none righteous, no not one.\u201d\u00a0 It also sets the criteria for salvation for both the Judean and the Gentile &#8212; believing the Gospel of Jesus Christ. It also shows that the accomplishments of Jesus Christ made available spirit life, which Adam lost, to all those that believe the Gospel concerning Jesus Christ.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">It speaks about our walk in newness of life for those that have been justified by believing the accomplishments of Jesus Christ.\u00a0 <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">It speaks about walking according to the new nature and not the old nature of sin.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">It speaks about the believer no longer being under condemnation\/judgment and being inseparable from God any longer.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">It speaks about the realities of the accomplishments of Jesus Christ being made available to both the Judean and the Gentile by believing.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">Then in Romans 12 especially Vs. 9 and following, it speaks about the believers\u2019 walk in love toward those that have been born again or born from above.\u00a0 In *<em>A Journey through the Acts and Epistles<\/em> on page 245, one of the footnotes reads: \u201cHere in Romans 12 it is considered in its practical aspects with regard to the renewing of the mind and the relationships with others <strong>in the body of Christ.\u201d (emphasis added)<\/strong><\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">One of the relationships we have in the body of Christ is our relationship with the higher powers God has placed in the church.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">Romans 13:1-2 Let every soul be subject unto the higher powers. For there is no power but of God: the powers that be are ordained of God. Whosoever therefore resisteth the power, resisteth the ordinance of God: and they that resist shall receive to themselves damnation. KJV<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">The Living Bible translates Romans 13:1-7 this way!<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">Romans 13:1-7 Obey the government, for God is the one who has put it there. There is no government anywhere that God has not placed in power. So those who refuse to obey the laws of the land are refusing to obey God, and punishment will follow. For the policeman does not frighten people who are doing right; but those doing evil will always fear him. So, if you don\u2019t want to be afraid, keep the laws and you will get along well. The policeman is sent by God to help you. But if you are doing something wrong, of course you should be afraid, for he will have you punished. He is sent by God for that very purpose. Obey the laws, then, for two reasons: first, to keep from being punished, and second, just because you know you should. Pay your taxes too, for these same two reasons. For government workers need to be paid so that they can keep on doing God\u2019s work, serving you.\u00a0 Pay everyone whatever he ought to have: pay your taxes and import duties gladly, obey those over you, and give honor and respect to all those to whom it is due.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">Although many have said and translated the \u201chigher powers\u201d here to be the government, the context does not support that understanding. It is obvious from reading history that God did not put at least some of the more modern leaders into power for us to obey. God did not put Hitler, Mussolini, Stalin, or Pol Pot in their positions where they set out and killed many of God\u2019s people. Even with a small amount of logic, that should be evident.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">God uses the illustration in Romans 13 of the respect, honor, and monies paid to the government to teach us we are to give that same honor and respect to the higher powers in the church, the body of Christ. So much so, we owe no man anything.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">The section of scripture that does deal with obedience to the government is in 1 Peter.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">Although these records in 1 Peter are not addressed to the whole church, they are addressed to all Israel that are born again and were part of the <em>diaspora<\/em>, the scattered of Israel.\u00a0 They were to be a royal priesthood to serve those not born from above, the Gentiles.\u00a0 It talks about their conduct as they lived and served as strangers and foreigners here on the earth. (This world is not our home!) <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">From *<em>A Journey through the Acts and Epistles<\/em>:<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">\u00a01 Peter 2:11-15 Beloved, I exhort you as visiting foreigners and sojourners to abstain from fleshly cravings, anything that wars against the soul, keeping your good manner of life among the Gentiles, so that by it those who speak against you as evildoers may glorify God in the day of visitation as they behold your good works.\u00a0 Be subject to every created human being for the Lord\u2019s sake: whether to a king as the one in authority or to governors as those sent by him [the king] for punishment of evildoers and for praise of those who do good. So is the will of God that by doing good you may muzzle the ignorance of foolish people.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">God by way of Peter speaks here also of the born-again Israelites\u2019 relationship with wives and Gentile husbands, and men that have Gentile masters or employers.\u00a0 <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">Even though this is not written to the body of Christ at large, there is much to be learned from what God instructs the <em>diaspora<\/em>, the displaced and born-again Israelites, on conduct while we in the church sojourn here until Christ returns.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">In 1 Peter 2, it also says if you are going to sin (get in trouble with those in authority over you), it is no glory to you or your Father even if you patiently endure the consequences.\u00a0 But if you get in trouble for righteousness sake, that is grace before God.<\/span><\/p>\n<p style=\"padding-left: 40px;\"><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">1 Peter 2:21 &#8211; 23 Moreover, for this purpose you were called, because Christ also suffered for you, leaving an example to you so that you might follow his tracks, \u201cwho did not sin, nor was deceit found in his mouth.\u201d When he was insulted, he did not retaliate with an insult.\u00a0 When he suffered, he did not threaten in return, but he delivered himself to Him Who judges justly. WTJ<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">Having looked at all of this, it is important to remember that our lives are not our own.\u00a0 Having God\u2019s spirit within, we are to walk with Him as to right conduct in different situations.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">We have the written Word here to guide us, and we have His gift of holy spirit. It takes both a knowledge of His Word and the spirit of God to walk in the love of God.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">Some have talked about our \u201crights\u201d lately &#8212; our rights under the Constitution or our rights according to the founding fathers of our country. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">Romans 14 talks some about \u201crights.\u201d &#8212; the right to eat meat offered to idols, to not celebrate one day above another, etc.\u00a0 Yet, it teaches that I may cause others to sin if I exercise those rights. Our walk with God is one of love, not one of claiming all of what we perceive to be our rights.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">Some have spoken recently about \u201ccivil disobedience\u201d and then have found what they said were great believers in the Bible exercising civil disobedience.\u00a0 In most if not all of these records, these people were doing what God instructed them to do in that specific situation.\u00a0 <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">In the book of Acts, Peter was in prison and the angel of the Lord came and set them free. The angel then told them to, \u201cGo, stand and speak in the temple all the words of this life.\u201d This is what God told them to do even though they had been commanded by the ruling authorities to not speak in the name of Jesus anymore.\u00a0 Peter\u2019s response, when questioned about his disobedience, was, \u201cWe ought to obey God rather than men.\u201d This is what God told Peter and the others to do.\u00a0 This was not civil disobedience; it was obedience to God.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">When the midwives saved the male children alive as opposed to killing them in the time of Moses, as was the King\u2019s commandment, they were obeying what God told them to do.\u00a0 This is not civil disobedience.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">We do not live this life for ourselves but as sons and daughters of God and as those that serve him.\u00a0 We are to honor the higher powers in the church and obey those in authority over us whether they be kings or employers. <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">But we also have the spirit of God born in us. We are to walk in love and obey our Father whether it is what is in the written Word or what He tells us by way of His spirit so that we may bring glory to Him.\u00a0 <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">Oh yes, the young man that witnessed to me about Romans 13\u2026\u00a0 I asked him,<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">\u201cAre you saying God put Hitler, Mussolini, and Stalin in power, and that as Christians we are to obey them?\u201d <\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">He said, \u201cYes that is what the Bible says.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">I said, \u201cI don\u2019t know what the truth is, but you are an idiot.\u201d<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">Then I walked away. I thank God that He put me in a place where I could eventually learn truth.<\/span><\/p>\n<p><span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">*Footnote: A Journey Through the Acts and Epistles A Working Translation By Walter J. Cummins<\/span><br \/>\n<span style=\"font-family: times new roman, times, serif;\">\u00a0\u00a0\u00a0 Available at www.ContinuingintheScriptures.com<\/span><\/p>\n<\/div>","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>&nbsp; When I was in my first year of college, a young man attempted to witness to me about the Bible by saying that Romans 13:1, 2 and following said that God put all government leaders in power, and we were to obey them. 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